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Sergey Rudenko. Magnificent eight. Trump and seven world leaders are holding intensive consultations on further action after a historic summit in Washington. Are they able to force Russia to stop the war against Ukraine? Protection of Russian speakers.

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The second part of the Verdict program. My name is Sergey Rudenko. Today is Friday and as usual we have a journalism club every Friday. Over the next 40 minutes, my colleagues and I will talk about what was actually happening in Ukrainian and global politics.

Donald Trump's briefing ended just half an hour ago. The urgent statement, as it was announced, was primarily devoted to domestic American events. But he also talked about Putin, he also talked about Ukraine, and he talked about the American factory that the Russians destroyed on the night of August 21 in Mukachevo.

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This is very important for promoting our content on YouTube. Since, my dear colleagues, we are asking our viewers whether they understand President Trump's policy towards Ukraine, I will ask you about this as well, if I may, briefly. Yanino, but politics is one thing.

Well, Trump is just so fed up with the Ukraine issue that, given the press conference he gave half an hour ago, Serhiy and I watched it all in fragments. And this again looked like a home for the elderly, who clearly have problems with their psyche and with understanding what they said today and what they will say tomorrow.

And this is sad, and it needs to be treated. But before us is the President of the United States of America. I understood it from the point of view of his attitude as the president of the United States, defending his interests in this story was at the stage when he was going to sign an agreement with us and signed it on minerals.

I still had hope when he flew to Alaska to talk to Putin. And I had a little hope left, Sergiy, and our viewers, when Trump met with European leaders and Zelensky, and there was about a five percent hope that he would finally understand what Putin understands only by force. This is how you need to speak to him at a press conference following the conversation with the Europeans.

It seemed to me that the Europeans had convinced him of the means, but no. What happened half an hour ago, well, at least in words, sounds like a farce and a further desire to get out of this story. "If within two weeks, friends who haven't seen it, Trump just said this, if within two weeks Zelensky and Putin don't agree on something, he will decide what to do," Trump said.

Maybe we can get out of this story, the US president hinted. Thank you, Yanino. Well, I'll say this: Trump literally said this: "Maybe I'll impose sanctions? Maybe not, and maybe nothing will happen at all. Well, that's roughly what the answer was.

And he said that he would look at who would be to blame in this situation and actually compare and put Ukraine and Russia on the same level. That is, Russia, you can see me now, wait for the camera.

Here. Look at the camera. So, Trump is showing his photo. Let's show it. We have it in better quality. And now we'll show it on the full screen.

Super show it and show what he said there for understanding. Well, what he says, we won't give the sound, but he shows it clearly. I can say what he said, and he says that he might come to the 2026 World Cup.

It all depends on what happens," he said, showing this photo and hinting that maybe the meeting will take place and maybe it will be with Putin. Well, it's hard to get Sergiy to come together.

Now he's just like a teenager showing a photo with his idol and maybe he'll hang this photo above his head in his bedroom somewhere, where he's with Putin, and show it off. Kateryna, what do you think and how do you feel about Donald Trump's policy towards Ukraine? I'm already watching on YouTube Espresso that most of your viewers don't understand Trump's policies.

I join this, this number. The only thing is that at this stage, these last few weeks, I've caught myself not taking everything that's being said seriously. In what sense? Of course, we have broadcasts.

We discuss this, we try to analyze each statement with a bunch of experts. In recent weeks, they have really been somewhere, well, towards Ukraine. Analysts have noticed the change in rhetoric.

And after the visit of European leaders and the head of NATO to Washington, well, it generally seemed that all Ukrainian ideas were under Trump's control, let's say. It would probably be better if the leaders did not travel from Washington to Europe, but sat next to it, so that they could all discuss the Russian-Ukrainian war and the support of official Kyiv, including the Ukrainian people, in the office.

So I save myself with humor and watch it like reality TV. I'll tell you honestly, because if you take all this seriously, then, uh, you'll have a really bad headache, at the very least. These oscillations of disappointment and the search for hope.

Here, even I am the last optimist, I have already put an end to this. I think it's worth looking only at the actions. Eh, is this, well, it seems to me that this swing and rocking is probably done on purpose.

Here we support some, here others. Now we are again blaming both Kyiv and Moscow if the war suddenly doesn't end, which is absolutely unfair, because we all understand who the aggressor is. And here, probably, no miracle will happen and no miracle should be expected.

And it confuses me a little, because behind these conversations about negotiations, I hear from people, just eavesdropping on conversations, somewhere there and overhearing people's dialogues, acquaintances and neighbors ask me about something, that people really believe that everything can stop like this. Well, Trump will help and the war will end like that.

I heard a conversation, just so you understand, between a couple by the lake on the beach. She says: "So you think we're going to Egypt this winter, what's wrong with your passport?" She turns to her husband. And it was a serious conversation.

Absolutely. Of course, uh, we need hope and hope to hold on, but we probably need to weigh our hopes and not take it all seriously at some point, because it will break our hearts over and over again. That's how I save myself, so to speak.

The Trump meeting has already been mentioned. Zelensky and European leaders in Washington. Such a mini-summit that took place at the White House. He, in principle, announced a meeting with Zelensky and Putin, and the same Donald Trump spoke about this.

And now we see how, in principle, the Kremlin, as they say, is falling into a deep freeze and trying to say that such a meeting will happen, but it may happen after all the issues have been worked out, when all the groups have reached some kind of agreement. Although in reality, objectively speaking, if Putin now agrees to meet with Zelensky, which I don't believe, because Putin has already said a million times that Zelensky is supposedly an illegitimate president.

Everyone in the world knows that Putin is illegitimate, but he continues to be considered the ruler of Russia, if not the tsar. Well, at least that's how it's perceived.

Well, what do you think, what's the point of this whole story with this meeting, which even Trump doesn't believe will happen? Because he said that if they don't meet, I will no longer participate in this and will not act at all as some kind of arbitrator, mediator, or person who will participate in the tripartite meeting. Why was this story about the meeting invented? Because, and I think the American side actually made this up, because the Russians are not in a big hurry to meet with Zelensky.

Not quite so. When Zelensky met with Trump in Alaska, one of the messages conveyed by his henchmen, these cronies who were with him, I remember, was the statement, and Ushakov, I think, said that Lavrov too, that the president was ready to meet with Zelensky. And this was the message they were sending to Sergiy and our viewers to give them a reason to start dragging out the show even longer.

I actually talked about this a month ago. I don't want to say that I'm some kind of Nostradamus, but I actually talked about this a month ago. That is, when I realized that Trump is now leading the story of a meeting with Putin there, it is not in Putin's interest to end this war, friends.

Well, it's not profitable for him. First, its economic situation, even the history with mobilization, even the history with that military machine that they started, it is all completely locked into war. If Putin ends the war, he will need to rake it all up, and it is impossible to rake it up at the moment.

how impossible it is to explain why he ruined so many lives. Forgive my words, but we can say about this nonsense that it imposed sanctions on its funds, deprived the economy of all life. That is, if he comes out of this story on terms that are interesting to Ukraine, Europe, and even with security guarantees and some kind of status, I don't know what, for those Donbass and Crimea, then he simply lost, you know? Therefore, he will not end this war.

Despite the fact that Trump, you heard, had his microphone on when they sat down at the table, the Western media was already picking up on it. And he tells Macron that before sitting down at the table in the White House, Trump says, " Listen, I really think he agrees to end the war." I think he wants a deal.

He is a great persuader. Listen, this is a KGB officer. Therefore, they will continue to stall for time, and perhaps the moment will even come when he meets with Zelensky, and then they will also stall for time after that. That's why Katya spoke today about Ukrainians preparing for a truce.

But that's really true. We hear it everywhere and that's normal, friends. We want an end to this hell. We want this on fair terms.

Did you hear the poll? But we need to understand that in order not to be disappointed, we need to not be enchanted. We need to move towards a negative scenario.

Let's keep it in mind that the war will continue. And, unfortunately, this scenario is negative, but it is realistic. And continue to pressure Serhiy on Europe, well, pressure in the good sense of the word, so that they become not guarantors of security, we are talking about this now, but our allies for years, the next 10 years.

And we received weapons and could wage war against the Russian Federation. and it is possible to win. The military is talking about this.

Resource needed. Well, by the way, you mentioned security guarantees. The Europeans and Americans agreed that over the next 7-10 days, this mechanism or principles for these security guarantees may be developed. Zelensky says that Lavrov's statement that Russia must participate in providing security guarantees to Ukraine is a mistake.

Well, that's an absolutely cynical statement. The country that attacked Ukraine and was bound by security guarantees under the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 is once again saying that Russia must necessarily participate in providing these security guarantees to Ukraine together with Western powers. Let's listen to what Volodymyr Zelenskyy had to say about this.

Ukraine needs security guarantees so that you and I, our children, and grandchildren know clearly that Russia will not attack us. These are security guarantees against an aggressor or for the sake of Ukrainian security, our sovereignty, our territorial integrity.

Because the aggressor is Russia. When Russia raises the issue of security guarantees, I honestly don't yet know who is threatening them. They attacked us and they are on our side.

I don't quite understand what guarantees the aggressor needs. Katya, Zelensky clearly says that Russia is an aggressor. We were struck by the fact that there can be no guarantees of security from Russia or from Russia for us, because in the current situation it looks like the aggressor is trying to re-enter the territory of Ukraine under the guise of a security guarantor or start a new war after a theoretical peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine.

And Trump is not saying that Russia is an aggressor and that it should withdraw from the territory of the Ukrainian state at all. He says that, well, we'll see today, he says, well, we'll see whose fault it will be, Russia or Ukraine, that there won't be this agreement.

And this is a cynical, in fact, statement by Trump. And in general, the words "aggressor," "murderer," "about Putin," "war criminal" have disappeared from his rhetoric. Why? Were those words there, you know, well, Trump sometimes says something like that, we grab it, but then again this new statement.

In this sense, we are all hostages to the fact that Trump cannot lose in his geopolitical game and in his promises to end the war quickly and that he is a peacemaker there and that his chip is generally to end wars. He also said that he wanted to go to heaven.

To do this, we need to save 7,000 people every day. And if he manages to achieve peace in Ukraine, it will be a super bonus for him and a hope of getting to heaven. We live in such statements and we are hostages.

Why? Because we cannot say and the President of Ukraine cannot say: "Well, come on, we won't talk there on such terms." And that's it. Every statement must be considered.

Oval Office 2.0. We also saw how balanced Zelensky's statements are in this sense, because it is obvious to us who is the murderer and who is the aggressor, because we feel it ourselves and we see it. For an adequate world, for all adequate people, this seems understandable, right? And here's this game, they can blame us for this.

As for the security guarantee and Russia's statement, well, that also cannot be taken lightly. And Trump also said that Ukraine would have some kind of presence, I think sources, media reported it, whether it was direct speech, I don't remember. Maybe you will remember that there will be enough land in Ukraine, there will be a lot of land in Ukraine.

And it's scary to think about it. It is implied that he is saying: "You have a big country, half of it will be enough for you." Well, you really don't know what's behind these words. Therefore, security guarantees from Russia are abnormal, they are impossible.

Unless Russia achieves its goal, which means complete capture of Ukraine, complete control of Ukraine, then, probably, Russia will guarantee security for Ukraine. But we should, and judging by the polls, it seems clear to Ukrainians what Russia's goal is in this sense.

And it was also important for me to hear, I think for many of us, that at the likely meeting between Zelensky and Putin, if it were to happen, there would be no division of Ukraine. I heard this, I asked the advisor to the office of the head of the office of the president, Andriy Yermak, Oleksandr Bevz, in an interview with Suspilny, and he said that Zelensky is ready for any format of the meeting, if Russia behaves adequately and it is clear that it is really ready for negotiations.

And the main thing about the territories is that President Zelensky is ready to discuss this topic and knows how to talk about it with Putin. Yes, but this story will not only begin with the contact line.

There is no question of Ukraine and the Ukrainian armed forces somehow backing away from that. And there is no talk, they say, that the occupied territories will somehow become part of Russia. These are the positions we stand on.

And the formula is really simple. You just need to stop shooting. And this formula would be, uh, good if Donald Trump understood, who's shooting, right? And I would demand this primarily from Russia. Probably not, because if Russia doesn't do it, and it probably won't do it.

Just like that, Trump will look like a person who, it turns out, cannot achieve peace, but, but a person who wants to go to heaven. I understand that I can say two words to Serhiy.

See, regarding security guarantees. Well, first, what Ms. Maloney said about the alternative to NATO's Article Five. We didn't talk about it today, but this is an important case.

In fact, they discussed it. Friends, what is NATO's fifth article within NATO? And I emphasize, Ukraine will be in NATO. The President of the United States has stated this more than once.

This, uh, when they attack a country that is part of NATO, they say that it will be an alternative, but the scheme is the same. then the members of this NATO alliance, according to Article Five, will decide for themselves how they will participate in the defense of this country.

That is, there is no prescribed mechanism for how they will participate. That is, if Germany wants to send us 6,000 helmets, they will send them to us. If someone wants to send us three tanks, they will send them.

That is, you have to understand that everything that will be signed, well, for me personally, this is my personal opinion, this is Budapest 2. That is, something will be written, something will be given to us to get off the hook, and then the situation with the front, if there is a ceasefire there and we agree to something, will no longer be the same as it is now, because the military says that any exit from the position is a new gathering.

Well, Putin will 100% take advantage of this. Friends, I emphasize. I really want our country to finally be at peace. I emphasize a lot what I want, but the situation is like this.

A few words about the statements from the president's office. So, in front of me now is the Italian edition of Le Repubblica. And the article with Mr.

Podaljak. Here I will translate for you in Italian. This is the official advisor to, uh, the head of the president's office. Ukraine agrees to freeze the war on the current front line and recognize the occupied territories as de facto lost.

"In the future, Ukraine will try to return the occupied territories through diplomatic and economic means," Podoliak said in an interview with Lereblika. Well, Ukrainians do not hear any options for how events can unfold, except that we do not give up the territories according to our constitution.

Podoliak, as far as I understand, is probing with this interview what Ukrainians think about this. However, security guarantees, in my opinion, Serhiy, to conclude the answer to your question, are NATO membership and the total militarization of Ukraine right now. Not at the moment when we sign something, but right now.

And this plan will be in effect, for example, for the next 10 years. This is the only option. And the fifth article is the NATO Alternative. This is all Budapest Memorandum 2.

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My colleagues. And we have a traditional journalist club. And we are talking about the most important thing that happened during this week. The fact that territories are not the main thing for Russia, but the main thing is the protection of Russian-speaking Ukrainians was stated this week by Sergei Lavrov.

He said that the fact that we entered the territory of Ukraine means that we wanted to protect those who speak Russian. Let's listen to what Lavrov said.

I want to emphasize once again that we never said that we simply needed to seize some territories. Neither Crimea, nor Donbas, nor Novorossia, as territories, were ever our goal. Our goal was to protect the Russian people who had lived on these lands for hundreds of years, who had discovered these lands, who had shed blood for them in Crimea and Donbas.

It seems that the outpourings that were in the international media regarding the demands or the preconditions that should precede peace negotiations on the Russian language, on the special status of the Russian language, on the fact that the branch of the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine should work, obviously have their basis, because Lavrov says that the fact that we took part of the territory, seized Ukraine does not mean at all that we are abandoning our goals, because our goal is to protect Russian-speakers. That is, if there are Russian-speakers in Ukraine in Rivne, in Lviv, in Frankivsk, in Transcarpathia, then we will go there and protect them.

That is, until Ukraine says, or the Ukrainian leadership says: "Well, yes, the Russian language has some special status in Ukraine, that the branch of the ROC in Ukraine, the UOCMP, a religious organization should work or not, or a non-religious organization, in other words, we will call it a sect, a Russian one should work there". This means that we are simply doomed to what Putin wants, and not doomed to what Putin wants, and we are being led to believe that we must revive a new Russian world in Ukraine.

Do I understand you correctly, Katya? Well, the concept of the army, language, faith is not as a political slogan, but of a political party, but rather a concept. Well, this is what we really have to hold on to, no matter how you look at it.

And we see how Russia wants to strike us with such a blow, even in terms of transmitting some information through its propaganda media, what a blow Russia wants to inflict. It puts pressure on these painful topics.

And these are painful topics, because during the occupation, language and nationality are literally being killed. We and all of Ukraine have felt it.

However, there are still people, I also have such thoughts I hear people saying that this is all politics. Well, the language issue is not politics.

The army is not politics. This is what protects us. That is, we need to be more aware of these things. Especially when the Kremlin says that we want to take this away from you and that it should not belong to you and that you should not have it at all.

We want to control everything. What can this mean for us at this stage? What we understand and realize, who has not done this yet, that this is important, that Russia's influence has simply been in the last decades, and in the future, which continues, and in the future. Well, if there is such an influence from Russia and if we do not have this of our own, then Russia will be everywhere.

Maybe it will start there by penetrating our heads, it will penetrate, yes, and will spread. This is a danger to our statehood. And we need to take note of this.

That is, everything that Russia wants and everything that it thus, therefore, considers important for itself, this is what we have to do here, so on this basis emphasis on strengthening our army, on understanding what our language is for, how to preserve it, how to spread it, how to switch to it there, and so on. You know, I read, and I think you may have also seen this post by Otar Dovzhenko, our colleague, who said that for him this issue of language actually sounds alarming in these possible demands of Russia, because, relatively speaking, if the question arose, do we freeze here on this front line and forget about the occupied territories, but in return, please give us, and we stop the war there, but please give us, please, the spread of the Russian language or some special status for it, yes, at the state level, then perhaps, probably, we would, well, go for it.

Yes, and here there is, perhaps, yes, indeed, there is a risk in this debatable issue, but these are the three things that we all have to hold on to. You know, after Lavrov made this statement, I specifically looked at sociology, the sociology of the Kyiv International Institute sociology from the spring of 25 about the language.

38% of Ukrainians believe that in Ukrainian-speaking schools it is worth preserving the study of the Russian language, and at the same time, support for the study of the Russian language in schools is constantly decreasing. But, uh, in 23, this opinion was shared by 42% of respondents, in 25, 38.

Not such a big difference. Instead, the share of those who oppose the presence of Russian in school education has increased from 52% in 23 to 58 now. But 38% of Ukrainians believe that Russian should be studied in schools.

And this is actually, well, a fairly large number. Then, among the arguments in favor of Russian in school, its perception as a foreign language, knowledge of which, according to respondents, is useful. 38%, as well as the historical presence of Russian in Ukraine in the Ukrainian language space 32%, another 14% consider it important to learn the language of the aggressor country.

At the same time, only 9% of those who support the idea of ​​studying Russian, believe that it should be studied on a par with Ukrainian or even more actively than other foreign languages. The regional distribution of responses remains contrasting.

In Western Ukraine, 25% of respondents support the preservation of Russian in the school curriculum. In the south, 51%, and in the east, 57%.

Another interesting figure and sociology regarding the use of Ukrainian Russian in everyday life. 63% of Ukrainians surveyed by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs say that they communicate in Ukrainian at home. 13% communicate in Russian, and another 19% responded that they communicate in Ukrainian and Russian equally.

And as, well, here is the graph that we are showing now. This is data for 2020. Well, the share of those who communicate in Ukrainian has since increased from 52 to 63%, while the number of those who communicate in Russian has decreased from 25% to 13%. The share of those who communicate in both languages ​​has not changed.

18% in 2020 and 19% now. Yenino, the fact that the Russian language is in Ukraine, there is a lot of it both in everyday life and outside of everyday life, is absolutely understandable. But this sociology, when 38% believe that Russian must be studied at school, it means that parents also communicate in Russian and they say that our children should also study Russian, because it is our everyday language, well, native for someone, probably.

But on this basis, the Kremlin is stretching this whole idea with the Russian language and again trying to spin the Russian world here, which will necessarily have negative consequences for Ukraine. Because these children will grow up, who will know Russian in Russian, they will again listen to Russian rappers or whoever will be there in 10-20 years, singers.

They will watch Russian television, probably go to the Russian Orthodox Church and as a result, some political projects will appear in Ukraine that will be in embroidered shirts, but they will be in Russian. Well, we understand what this can lead to.

Sergey, do you have children? Yes, adults? Yes, well, there are adults, and there are little ones. Well, how old are the children? My daughter is 28 years old. Uh-huh.

You, Katya, have a daughter who is 44 years old. Four years old. Well, look, I am the mother of two teenagers. So, my children speak My children speak Ukrainian.

That is, and I have no doubt, Sergey. I am the mother of two teenagers. And, friends, this is a disaster. In reality, my children think in Ukrainian, they speak Ukrainian from birth.

At home, they speak Ukrainian. Here, in principle, there is no moment in our lives when anyone in our family spoke Russian. I just want you to hear me.

This is despite the fact that before you is a girl from a totally Russified city, who studied at a Russian school, which she entered in 1991, and graduated in 2001. Friends, I entered a Russian school when Ukraine became independent and studied at a very good physics and mathematics school, but Russian.

And I understand the influence, I understand the consequences, because in adolescence, forgive me, but I have to say this, how small the scale was. Putin was a superhero for us.

Well, I mean for calculations at that time. I had an earring decoration with Putin in my adolescence. Sergey, you can realize this in Zaporizhia, in the Cossack region, I'm not kidding, in all seriousness.

They were sold in the central square of our city and I bought them then. Well, it's true, and Putin was different then. Well, but that's another story.

We were very much associated with Russia. So, about teenagers, when, well, now my children hear, my son is sitting here in the room and if I go in and hear him talking with his peers Serhiy, it will be Russian. If I go along Khreshchatyk, pick him up from school, it is often Russian and he immediately switches to his native language, Ukrainian.

This is a disaster in fact, because my children, it is really very sad for me to realize this, my children are Ukrainian-speaking, raised in a national-patriotic upbringing. They really are like that, I tell you frankly.

That is, my children are not quilters, but they are forced under the influence of society, in order not to seem like white crows, to communicate with children in the center of Kyiv, at school in Russian. Well, in order, well, to be like them, to have a psychological effect of closeness.

And why, I will finish answering this question, why did I mention the school there and the Russified city in which I lived, a beautiful one, which I adore. But nevertheless, because most of the parents of these children have not understood the influence of the Russian language on the brains of these children and on their family, and the influence of the Russian language, Russian TikTok, music, what is going on in the heads of these children.

And this is extremely difficult. I am sure that everything will be okay with my children, because we are having this conversation and the children are already in the head. And I am not sure about the others.

And since the 22nd year, nothing has changed for Sergey. Back in the 21st year, at the end of the chat, in the school Viber chat, they asked: "And what about at the beginning of the new year, and what kind of chat will we do?" " Uh, Russian or Ukrainian, what should we call this chat?" and they said that I was mentally ill, because I defend the Ukrainian language and was generally outraged that someone was going to spend time chatting in Russian at a school in the center of Kyiv. Therefore, this is all a discourse within families.

And what should we do about it? We need to make the laws that will protect the Ukrainian language as strict as possible. And of course, do cultural and patriotic education.

Not now, what will happen on September 1. With all due respect, honestly, to the education departments. On September 1, the children will gather and the teacher will take a textbook and read to them: "Ukraine is our nanny." "Well, there are heroes there, what are they like." They will read it as written and that will be the end of it.

Unfortunately, many people do not have fantasies. Zero. Does this affect our children? No. And therefore, you know, to talk about something changing and something being done for this, having the experience of Donbas and Crimea, we remember how we did not engage in their Ukrainization, and the Russians engaged in their Russification. Well, now the Internet is doing this with our children, and in families and at school, unfortunately, this is not enough.

I will just add very briefly, colleagues, because I have been in such a whirlpool of these small children, yes, four years on the playground. And in Lviv I also see many families who are from different parts of Ukraine, occupied parts, from Russified ones.

And they are trying so hard, it is nice to watch. But Yanino, what you are saying, and I know from my friends the same in schools, in the capital, I think with horror about whether my child, when he is in school, already studying in adolescence, will also have to face this, that he will be in a minority precisely because of the language. Therefore, we all need to realize this, convey to each other that language matters and children, especially young ones, well, it is really very easy to teach them to speak Ukrainian.

Why should they relearn 10 times? Everyone should pay attention to this. I'll tell you that from birth, Katya, from birth. From birth.

It's so easy to do. From birth. But communicate between a man and a woman, if Yanina is already psychologically so difficult for me. Here.

Here Yanin, believe me, I'm a patriot, but it's so difficult for me. And a child is born, and I hear her screaming: "Alena, I told you in Russian, you can't hear me, don't get into the mud." Well, what's wrong with your head, they're already beating you with bombs. Lavrov is already declaring to you, Putin is demanding, and there is no cause-and-effect relationship here.

Well, friends, I'll tell you honestly, sorry for the emotions, I, well, don't understand. I'm really very sorry. Very much.

Well, I can say that my ten-year-old son, he has English as his second language, that is, he watches programs in English, uh, uh, communicates in English. I hear someone in chats speaking English and Ukrainian.

That is Russian for him is not just foreign, but a foreign foreign language that he doesn't want to speak or hear. That is, well, it's not that I'm bragging about it, but, well, that's the reality.

Lviv, Serhiy, Lviv, don't forget, it's important. It's important. The day before yesterday I was in Lviv, I feel like there, I'll tell you honestly. The day before yesterday I was in Lviv, I'm walking through the streets, my soul is just happy.

I'm at home, you know what I'm talking about? I'm at home. Everyone around me mainly speaks Ukrainian. Well, everyone, everyone thinks about what people in cafes are talking about.

Well, Lviv residents, you have hearts, but you certainly understand the legacy that the eastern regions received and, well, we need to work on this, including Kyiv, unfortunately. As a native of the northeast, because I was born in Sumy region, next to the Russian Federation, that is, literally on the road from Sumy to Sudzha, When our people came to Suja, they actually went through the places where I was born, where I grew up.

For me, it is very important that Ukrainian be a priority, so that there is no lack of this, well, everyone speaks Surzhyk, many there do, but the Ukrainian language is still the Ukrainian language and this is what distinguishes us, of course, from the Russians. And we have never been one people and we will never be one people.

And all these lies, I think that these lies will be put to rest after the war is over. And we will understand that all these fabrications were made solely in order to conquer Ukraine and say that, well, these are the same Russians, only they say something in some of their own dialect there, they invented their own language and are trying to say something there. We must put an end to our conversation.

Thank you for participating in the program. Jena Sokolova, Kateryna Nekrecha were guests of our program today. Friends, throughout our broadcast we conducted a survey and asked you the following: do you understand President Trump's policy towards Ukraine? Yes, no, please vote using the appropriate buttons on YouTube.

If you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments under this video on YouTube. If, uh, actually, here are the results of this survey and we see that we are already summing up the television results, that is, 7% yes, 93% no, that is, 93% of our television audience does not understand what Trump's policy towards Ukraine is. We are putting an end to this.

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