Unsuccessful Attempt by Zelensky to Depend on NABU. Mindich’s Golden Toilet. Timoshenko’s Foreign Management.

The last 10 days have been so intense and interesting. We first experienced the independence of NABU and SAPO, then there was the day of the restoration of the independence of NABU and SAPO, and those who voted for independence were very happy afterwards, because they finally restored this independence. The head of the office of the President of Ukraine, Andriy Yermak, called President Zelensky's quick response to the protests against Law 12414 a true democracy.

We have a wonderful civil society, wonderful youth, whom President Volodymyr Zelensky listens to. There is a rapid dialogue between the authorities and society. All winners.

First of all, Democratic Ukraine. Servant of the People MP Oleksandr Maryakovskyi, together with the head of the Servant of the People faction, David Arakhamia, took a photo in the hall with a cardboard sign similar to those that people used to protest. Today I brought my cardboard to the hall and wrote the thesis "Restored Trust", which I consider to be the vision of today.

"We must be able to correct mistakes. We must be able to restore trust," he wrote under the photo. Well, our former colleague, and now a People's Deputy of Ukraine, Dmytro Kostyuk, before the vote on the presidential bill on July 30th (or 31st, excuse me), announced his withdrawal from the Servant of the People faction, but assured that he remains a supporter of Zelensky. Let's listen, because this is also very interesting.

I am leaving the Servant of the People parliamentary faction. This is my reaction to our vote last week, I vote yes. I support the president and at the same time, as it turns out, I am voting for the amendments of a person who has long demonstrated who she is in this hall by demonstratively ignoring the moment of silence for the Heavenly Hundred.

If a faction has such leaders, it is not my faction. Well, we see a whole panorama of what happened. As I have read and seen what you have said and written throughout this entire period, but still, let's share some fresh emotions.

That is, it is about the uniqueness, apparently, of President Zelensky and his entourage. Create crises and then resolve them. Well, almost like in the 90s.

That is, create a crisis, and then come and say: "We will solve everything." And now we are all winners, all together. As Yarmak said, everyone is a winner, and first and foremost, democratic Ukraine.

And who is the loser then? But listen, no matter how they tried to save face, what did they have left in a situation where not only civil society, but also representatives of Europe, and those best, closest friends who were ready to allocate billions to us and are already allocating them, began sending notes of protest, talking to them on the phone, even reproaches. And, well, it's not like the threats are warnings that if history continues to unfold like this with slowness, a conscious halt to anti-corruption reforms, this is what hurts Europe the most about Ukraine and this is what hurts Ukrainians about Ukraine, then, they say, help will also be delayed.

It will not be in the same volume as it is. And, as you know, we did not fully implement the list of reforms that Europe imposed on us in the second half of 2024 in order to receive billions in full. We did not receive the remaining 1 billion due to failure to implement reforms.

Well, the way the president behaved these days, you noticed that the reaction was not immediate. That is, uh, everything was quietly accepted, without discussion. It was clearly decided quickly, as we already know, according to information from Ukrainy Pravda, all this in the offices where a decision was made by Yermak Zelensky and his team, which, in principle, should not have been made public.

They were thinking in the offices of the president's office whether Ukrainians know what NABU is, what SAPO is, what they do, and generally what they do - pro-government Telegram channels started writing and are still writing, saying that they are ineffective and there is a Russian trace there. Before that, as you remember, there was information about an alleged Russian agent in the anti-corruption bureau and that agent who would have told top secret information to our enemy.

All of this was being prepared in the media in order to then launch a law, for which they would have certain reasons. But that didn't happen.

Zelensky has now lost, you asked Serhiy what Zelensky has lost. He lost a huge percentage of trust. Well, the small percentage of people who voted for him are not ashamed now.

I think that some of those 30 are already lost. Maybe half of that, about 15%. And the reason for this is himself and his surroundings. Will it change, Sergey? I don't think so.

As we can see, no steps are being taken regarding this, but they will be more cautious and, most likely, will look for more covert ways to promote those laws, those norms that will secure the society of Yermak, Mindich, and the rest of the people who are the backbone of Volodymyr Zelensky's life path, with whom he could not part even after people took to the streets across the country and showed him what he looked like in the mirror. It passed without any conclusions, it seems to me.

Let's see what will happen with Bep and Oleksandr Tsyvinsky. Well, I think that society has also mentioned this more than once. An appropriate decision will be made.

And they are actively smoking all the Ikas in the office now and thinking about what to do next when the suspicions and revelations of the cases that have already occurred will have the next step. And this next step will concern the president's inner circle.

After all, as we know, these things have already begun. Both the purchase of drones and the production of drones by our own people is also a process that, I think, will now be verified. Sergey, thank you, Yanino.

Danylo, it's clear that what happened around NABU ISAP is not, well, some kind of coincidence, some kind of accident. That is, what happened was an absolutely logical and, probably, an instant reaction, because this law 12414, which had been prepared there for a long time, which did not concern NABU and SAP at all, suddenly turned into a law that actually hid the independence of NABU and SAP, due to the norms in this law.

The director, Rebbe Alexander Tsevikhovsky, is not appointed. Yes, forgive me. Yes. Well, he was not appointed by the Cabinet of Ministers. Today, Yulia Sveredenko said that he has to take a polygraph.

Why is the Prime Minister saying that Tsyvinsky should take a polygraph? Why don't Sveredenko and Yarmak pass this polygraph? But in the end, where are those analyses of the president from 2019, for that matter, if everyone is checking everyone, that is, does the government realize that by not reacting or reacting incorrectly and in the wrong way to the events around them, they are basically driving themselves into a dead end, because next will be the appointment of a competition commission and the head of the customs service, as I understood from Yulia Sveredenko's post. And obviously, there will also be a lot of interesting things there, because the head of the customs service has not been in Ukraine for four years.

I, Mr. Sergiy, you said so much that I didn't quite understand what exactly you were asking me. But I wanted to ask if this is a coincidence or if this is a pattern. Yes, you said yourself that there is none.

Well, I can only confirm it. I would like to hear your opinion on this or confirm it. I can, I can confirm that it is not a coincidence at all, if we, uh, saw during July some kind of absolute brutalization of this government and what was manifested there, in addition to the deprivation of independence in Buisap, for example, such a story as the persecution of Vitaliy Shabunin there and so on, and so on. There were a lot of these stories during the month.

But I want to draw attention to the festival of hypocrisy that we witnessed yesterday. They showed, uh, this one, they quoted this post by Andriy Yermak, the main architect, in essence, uh, of this attack on independence on Busap, who, well, is not ashamed to go on social media after the vote in the Verkhovna Rada and talk about what a wonderful civil society we have there, what a wonderful youth we have, what a wonderful vote in the Verkhovna Rada. Did you do it? This is exactly what Andriy Yermak did, and now he is coming out with praise for the protests.

Well, it would probably be better if he himself went to Franko Square with a cardboard sign saying, "Shame on the authorities for depriving the NABU and SAPO of their independence." That is, the scale of hypocrisy here is simply astonishing. As for, by the way, the people's deputy you quoted, Dmytro Kostyuk, who left the Servant of the People faction, you know, if you actually listen to what he says, even in this short quote you gave, it turns out that he voted last week for the amendments submitted by Max Buzhansky, and why does this people's deputy, when voting, not know whose amendments he is voting for? Why did Dmytro Kostyuk, in principle, consider it possible for him to vote with such gross violations of the rules and then, to his surprise, discover that he voted for Max Buzhansky's amendments? In the same speech in the Verkhovna Rada, Dmytro Kostyuk said, as you said, as it was correctly said, that he remains a supporter of the president and he is in touch.

Iz Naboisab said that the president's intentions are good. He wanted to cleanse Nabus. That is, over the past week, People's Deputy Dmytro Kostyuk did not understand or pretended not to understand what the real purpose of Bill 12414 was and that, uh, it was not at all about good intentions, about purification. So, you know, this desire on the one hand to show a little bit of a principled position, and on the other hand to be a little bit hypocritical, this is also a rather symptomatic story.

When gentlemen like Mr. Marikovsky say that a mistake was made, they are also hypocritical. This is not a mistake. What they did last week was not a mistake.

This completely desubjective parliament carried out the will of the president. regarding the subordination of NABUS to political power. And they knew, for the most part, what they were doing.

This cannot be called a mistake, because a mistake is something that we did not fully realize what we were doing. If it had happened that people had not gone out to protest, they would never have admitted this mistake.

And this mistake would remain in Ukrainian legislation as of today. I really don't want us to let them all get away with just this kickback in response to a slap from the citizens of Ukraine. Yes.

Because and so that we can give those who voted last week the opportunity to clean up their act through this vote in the Verkhovna Rada. We shouldn't do this.

They did nothing heroic by gathering for a session and voting against it in response to the protests, which turned out to be unexpectedly large-scale, and in response to pressure from a frightened Bankova. In this regard, of course, the same Max Buzhansky, who last week joyfully submitted these amendments to bill 12414, was in an absolutely ecstatic state in the Verkhovna Rada when the vote took place, and yesterday quietly, obediently voted for the return of Nabus's independence, is especially wonderful.

This is some kind of, it seems to me, even a caricatured symbol of this spinelessness. Max Buzhans, you know, the only person who stuck to his position, did not vote for the new bill from Zelensky, it was Yulia Tymoshenko, who spoke about external governance. That is, I immediately have before my eyes Petro Symonenko, Natalia Vitrenko, and the regionals, who always said that there is external control, we need to fight Putin on Shahed, who flew past the podium with Yulia Volodymyrivna.

Yes, yes. Yes. What does Tymoshenko say? She said that there is an external administration and that this is not a law about NABU or SAPO, but rather about the fact that we will be dependent on someone in the West. Let's listen to what Yulia Volodymyrivna said.

This law is not about NABU or SAPO at all. Remember this. This is a bill about how to continue appointing constitutional state authorities from outside, that is, through outsourcing. And that's why we introduced an alternative bill, where the real anti-corruption bodies will be formed by the National Assembly, which is composed of our heroes of Ukraine who received this status on the battlefield.

These are the moral authorities who have earned the right to appoint anti-corruption bodies, not advisors or lobbyists from outside. This will not happen.

Yulia Volo Volodymyrivna is always hiding behind someone. Now it should be some kind of formulation in its formation, the National Assembly of Heroes of Ukraine. But when Yulia Vladimirovna went to Putin, she basically demonstrated how much external control and external pressure was behind Russian gas when she was prime minister, how she giggled with Putin when she discussed the meeting between Yushchenko and Saakashvili, when, in fact, the war in Georgia was going on.

I mean, we've seen it all. Now she is talking about some kind of external management. Well, this is generally, that is, the highest political aerobatics, when you had your own internal control and had external control from Russia, and now you are talking about external control from the West. Yanina, well, is it possible or rather, what can correct Yulia Tymoshenko, but don't answer with the saying that what can correct this is incorrect.

Yes. But I would like, of course, to use this proverb. Metaphorically, a flying political coffin can fix her when she sits at home. Well, she said she makes good cheesecakes.

This is frying cheesecakes in a Dubai apartment that she has paid for with her deputy's salary or saved up for her prime minister's. I'll collect it and then this person won't show himself to us.

Friends, everyone who is watching this broadcast right now, I really ask you to take a look at the part where Yulia Volodymyrivna is giving a speech about external control. showed a piece with Putin and took it all away, went to grandma or grandpa for tea, showed it and said: "Darling, never come out again, if you are in this section from this sect, know that this is a werewolf, this is one of the brightest actresses not only of our politics, but also of our country during her time in heels, Louboutins, by the way, for a couple of thousand dollars in the disabled army on the Maidan, ending with what she is doing now.

Look, well, these are political corpses. They understand that later in their lives they will have a fairly secure pension and part of their entourage and the businesses that they have left, this is still a story that was not very, to put it mildly, acquired by them in an honest way. And they will knock on their door, Sergey, that's all for you.

they will knock on their door and come, they will say that the interrogation will now concern only one person. This is the first reason.

The second reason, well, it's no secret that both the OPZH and Yulia Tymoshenko, her political force, I'm not talking about everyone, I emphasize, I'm not talking about everyone, because, for example, there Olena Kontratka stated that she was against, was from the very beginning of law 12414 and she remained true to her principle, so let's not talk about everyone, but in general this is a political force headed by a person who is currently cooperating with the authorities. And you remember, there was a story with her correspondence with Yermak and we see how they vote when there are not enough votes.

I mean servants, they take them to the OPZH, they often take them to BYuT. And this is such a terrarium of like-minded people against the background of the absence of a monomajority that exists in parliament. Because this, Serhiy, is prostitution.

Such prostitution is standard Ukrainian, parliamentary. And Yulia Tymoshenko in this story she is You add political, because now Telegram channels will cut out and say that you Yulia Tymoshenko is political, definitely political, political prostitution. And we have Vikings in this story, that is, those who can teach political prostitution at universities and teach hypocrisy and Putin's narratives, which now in 2025 and still remain not completely Ukrainian-speaking.

After all, the letter G has not even learned to pronounce in all this time, because at home they communicate in Russian. In general, what you see is exclusively acting.

When she is not in parliament, then someone will be sad, but you will remember our broadcast, you will watch these videos retrospectively and be grateful that this person no longer makes decisions about which country we should live in. Danylo, if I may add to what Yanina said, that in order to compare the rhetoric of Yulia Tymoshenko and Vladimir Putin, you don't even need to go to his address on February 21, 2022, where he talked about how The US embassy manages our anti-corruption infrastructure, in particular the NABU ISAP, that is, he said practically the same thing that Tymoshenko says there.

Today, Vladimir Putin, the day after Yulia Tymoshenko's speech in the Verkhovna Rada, said that the Ukrainian authorities were disgraced, tried to return some sovereignty to the activities of the NABU ISAP, to get rid of external management a little, but it didn't work. That is, literally the next day, after Yulia Tymoshenko spoke about external management in the NABU ISAP from the podium, Vladimir Putin, her botox friend, said practically the same thing.

Therefore, you can just take a fresh one. In general, for me. And, secondly, you know, what is most disgusting, in fact, in this speech of Yulia Tymoshenko and in her alternative bill, is that she is speculating on veterans of our full-scale war. She proposed that the selection of NABU detectives and SAP prosecutors be carried out by this National Assembly of Heroes of Ukraine, which received the title of Heroes of Ukraine on Boyton Field in combat conditions.

We all understand that this is absolutely nothing. It is not about this, it is not about qualifications, it is not about people who are actually capable of selecting someone for narrowly specialized positions. This is Yulia Volodymyrivna simply trying to speculate, well, speculate on the war.

In principle, she has always speculated on something, but this is already the most vile. I really want us to reach a time very soon when we will not have any grounds at all and will not see any reasons for commenting on the words of Yulia Tymoshenko on the air, and even more so inviting her to big interviews, a soft interview on TV channels in order to give her a full turn, as happened the other day. Let's still talk, God be with her, with Yulia Tymoshenko.

And in principle, everyone probably has many stories from communicating with Yulia Tymoshenko during these 20 years. I definitely do n't have one.

She never came to see me. Unfortunately. Unfortunately. Nastya Prykhodskaya was the last. Who from her political force came to see me, and I waited. I, and she once called me to apologize for the fact that her photographer snatched my ID and phone out of my hands when I was filming a rally of the Fatherland.

She called me to apologize and asked if I believed in God and that I should forgive and forgive. Let me stop all your stories. In 2003-4, Yulia Tymoshenko tried to sue me for an interview with Piskun.

And it was in the Pechersk District Court. But these hearings did not take place. And the last hearing, when they did not come, that side did not come, it was during the Orange Revolution, when the whole Khreshchatyk was walking around in orange scarves or with flags, and I was walking to court, because I had to answer for the words that Piskun said against Yulia Tymoshenko or about Yulia Tymoshenko. But, well, let's forget everything that was.

Let's look at what is now. Look, this whole story with these hastily adopted laws and and 13533, it overshadowed this story and the street protests. The main thing is, why did this whole story actually happen? Because last week, I had the former Prosecutor General of Ukraine Yuriy Lutsenko on the air.

This was in the first few days after it all started to develop, he said that, according to him, Timur Mindich's apartment was bugged for a year or several months. And this apartment was near Mariinsky Park, where Zelensky lives, where Minch lives, where the apartment is, I don't know if he lives there, where Bogolyubov's apartment is, somewhere up there above Mindich, it seems.

And NABU took certain actions. They drilled a hole in Mindich's apartment and listened. And there were people there who were from Zelensky's entourage. Maybe Zelensky himself was there.

They came to that apartment, as if it were a safe apartment, as Zelensky used to celebrate his birthday there during Covid. And Mykhailo Tkach filmed it all and showed how it all happened.

And they listened, listened, listened, overheard something there, and suddenly it turned out that NABU was preparing 17 suspicions, well, for Zelensky's closest entourage. Was that true or not? I think that NABU can definitely confirm and say whether this happened and SAPU accordingly.

But Zheliznyak actually posted it online this week. I hope you saw it. I don't know if it's true. We'll just show this, uh, toilet room with two gilded or gold toilets and bidets, if I'm not mistaken, that's what I see. And he said, that several guests of Mindich confirmed the authenticity of the photo at once.

But God be with him. Whether it was gold or gilded toilets and bidets, it is not so important. But the fact that there are obviously some recordings, recordings of conversations. Uh, someone who is abroad has already thrown out some transcripts.

Well, I think that this is just a forgery, which was made there, in my opinion, by Ihor Masiychuk or someone there gave a link to some transcripts. I thought that this is not really so.

Apparently, the NABU has, the Americans definitely have these recordings. I don't know who else has these recordings. Because you can say whether Ukraine can move from this street protest movement that was, to another movement and after the content of these recordings becomes known, as it was with the cassette scandal under Kuchma.

Depending, depending on the actions of the president and his entourage, Believe me, they are now actively preparing for the fact that NABU and SAPO, which now, as we see, have regained their independence, will make all this public, Serhiy. But I think that, you know, I had one small experience, also a story with tapes, also a story filmed by former security service employees.

One of them, Dmytro Shtanko, was already killed in Bakhmut and he was just making these tapes public. We broadcast them in our project Soromno in 2020, if I am not mistaken.

And then I was summoned to NABU and summoned to the State Intelligence Service for these tapes. On the tapes, the brother of the head of the presidential office, Denys Yarmak, met with various people, where he offered them or they offered him positions desirable for them. Well, and he said that he would decide everything with his brother.

That is, well, the story was about trading positions just for people who were allowed to determine. Then in the State Intelligence Service, an interesting moment, Why am I telling you this? The SBI asked me and investigated me very deeply, uh, where I got these tapes.

And they actively tried to check my media, to which I told them that you don’t have to check them, they’re not there anyway, uh, they’re not there. And that’s why the story about you finding the tapes is not that important.

The story is important because this is exactly the subject of your investigation that should be on these tapes. They weren’t interested in it at all.

Another story is from NABU, where I was also interrogated. NABU was interested in the story of what the person says on these tapes, their authenticity, who else was present. And maybe something was made public, and something wasn’t fully made public.

I just, uh, told you the story of my personal, well, if I touched certain audio and video media, which featured, well, in fact, corrupt actions on the part of a person close to the head of state and the president’s office. Nothing has happened since then.

That is, this person has not been held accountable. Andriy Yermak holds his position as a brother of a man. No, we don't have much time left, if I may, in short.

I will briefly summarize. I think everything will depend on the reaction of the head of state and his entourage. I think they are working on it now.

They are working actively. Thank you, Danylo. Well, if we return to the question you asked about some protest movement, I do n't quite understand what the demand of this protest movement should be, that the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky resign and we have Speaker Ruslan Stefanchuk become the president with very limited constitutional powers, like how to bring all corrupt officials to justice, and NABU and SAPO should conduct an independent investigation. Here, yes, it can be.

Look, if I outline this story in general, I really hope that NABU and SAPO will receive a certain charge from those protests, but because they thanked them there, thinking that society is simply It turned out to support them. In fact, society has just created a favorable field for them to work in.

And I really hope that they will use this favorable field for work. And since everyone is talking so much about the Mindich case, here I really don't mean to listen to what's on those tapes for yourself as part of some kind of voyeurism. I really hope that soon, since there is so much talk about this, we will learn about the suspicions of Timur Mindich, uh, and the entire company, the people connected to them, in which this is being discussed, uh, in this case.

That's what I'm waiting for. If there is no such suspicion, then it will smell very bad, I'll tell you that. Well, to put it mildly.

Yeah. Especially since law enforcement officers searched the former deputy head of the presidential office Rostislav Shurma at his place of residence in Germany. It was in Steinberg on July 15.

The German publication Spiegel writes about this. We'll wait news. Actually, we will wait for the reaction, well, first of all, of the President of Ukraine and the reaction of the heads of anti-corruption bodies, who have to give answers to many questions not about what we are talking about today, which we have articulated today. Thank you for participating in the news program.

Actually, we will wait for the reaction, well, first of all, of the President of Ukraine and the reaction of the heads of anti-corruption bodies, who have to give answers to many questions not about what we are talking about today, which we have articulated today. Thank you for participating in the program.

Yenina Sokolova, Danylo Mokryk were guests of our program today. Throughout our broadcast, we conducted a survey, friends, asking you about the following: "Do you feel that you are able to influence the authorities in Ukraine?" The final results of our television survey: 58%, yes, 42% - no. I put an end to this.

This was the program Verdykt previv and Serhiy Rudenko. I say goodbye to you until Monday, until 20:00. There will be a new verdict, there will be new guests.